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Post by ~Bourne on Sat Mar 18, 2017 4:53 pm

I heard Greer dropped Dina and Nina from WDS because the twins offered themselves up as plaintiff's witnesses against Adam in exchange for immunity.

Greer has strongest evidence against Adam:
1) Adam found Rebecca's dead body; (opportunity)
2) Adam admitted to being physically present the night she was killed; admitted to being at the crime scene; admitted to touching her body; (opportunity)
3) Adam is tugboat captain and knows how to make the special nautical ties found around Rebecca's wrists, ankles and neck; (means)
4) Adam is Max's uncle and was in vindictive mode against Rebecca for Max's braindeath. (motive)

This is a good strategy because Jonah will be forced to protect his bro Adam and confess about Dina/Nina's involvement.




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Post by Lash on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:11 pm

Interesting turn of events. From new ROA doc 596:

Page 3 of 30, BBM

INTRODUCTION

Plaintiffs bring this motion to amend the complaint to remove Dina Shacknai and Nina Romano as defendants in the case. This will leave Adam Schacknai as the sole named defendant. The reason Plaintiffs want to amend the complaint at this time because although evidence developed early in the case created a likelihood that Dina Shacknai and Nina Romano were at the scene of the homicide, evidence developed in the last six months has persuaded Plaintiffs to believe it is unlikely Dina Shacknia and Nina Romano were involved with Rebecca's murder. Therefore, Plaintiffs seek to amend the complaint to reflect the more fully developed evidence and to have a complaint at trial that is consistent with what Plaintiffs intend to prove, i.e., that Adam Shacknai murdered Rebecca Zahau..

So, the WDS now claims Dina and Nina were not involved in Rebecca's murder or is there more to this???

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Post by Lash on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:28 pm

More from ROA 596.

Page 6 of 30:

Specifically, Plaintiffs relied upon the statements eye witness Jim Haager made to police and to Plaintiffs' investigator, that he saw Dina Shacknai at the scene on the evening ofthe murder. After years ofattempting to get the actual video surveillance footage from Rady Children's Hospital for the relevant time period, on September 30, 2016, the parties finally received the video. (Greer 4). This confirmed that at certain times the evening of the murder, Dina Shacknai was at the hospital. While this doesn't completely eliminate the possibility that Dina Shacknai was somehow involved, it makes it unlikely that she was at the murder scene. Moreover, the video shows that the clothing she was wearing were different from the clothing that Jim Haager identified on the woman he saw at the murder scene. (Greer 5).

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With the hospital security video being added to the mix, Plaintiffs had to completely analyze the totality of the evidence. This process resulted in the conclusion that although no evidence completely exonerates Dina Shacknai or Nina Romano, and although there may be sufficient evidence to defeat a summary judgment motion, the evidence does not appear sufficient to establish that it is more likely than not that either Nina Romano or Dina Shacknai were involved in Rebecca's murder. Conversely, Plaintiffs do feel that the evidence is sufficient to establish that Defendant Adam Shacknai assaulted and murdered Rebecca Zahau. Thus, Plaintiffs now seek to amend their pleadings to reflect the state of the evidence, in advance of trial.
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Post by BBL on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:33 pm

Wow, just wow. So much could have been avoided if Rady's had released those tapes earlier. I admit that I kind of feel bad about they way I felt about Dina (and I hate that "others" may be right). But, I think I will always believe that Dina and Nina were involved. I guess they just didn't do the physical dirty deed. I'm not sure what to think now. Do you all believe that Adam could pull this off by himself?

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Post by Lash on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:36 pm

More and more...Nina DID make a payment to the plaintiffs of $100,000. So there was a settlement of some type involving Nina???

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On February 27, 2017, Plaintiffs dismissed Nina Romano from the case. Although Ms. Romano paid her policy limits of $100,000 to Plaintiffs, she denied all liability. (Greer 9). Plaintiffs are currently negotiating terms for dismissal of Dina Shacknai, which will not involve the exchange of any money. (Id.)
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Post by Imp on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:36 pm

Sounds almost as if the evil twins were at the scene, but not involved?

This is a NSWAG (non-scientific wild azz guess) on my part: Dina and/or Nina were involved on some level, but didn't do the actual deed, are willing to testify against Adam, and the Zahaus figure they may at least be able to hold 1 of the 3 accountable.

A variation of that NSWAG: Dina and Nina were involved in the deed itself, but have teamed up against Adam to make him the fall guy.

Okay ... I typed all that ^^ before Lash posted again, so I'll add this. They finally got the Rady video of the night in question?? Good lord, what took so long? Who was hiding that thing? And why? Did Team Shacknai have the video and wouldn't share it? Or did the hospital just finally cough it up in Sept 2016? And why does the video show her there at "certain times the evening of the murder"? I smell a rat. If Dina was on video at Rady and she knew it, she and her crew would've been screaming it from the rooftops as soon as the Zahaus filed their lawsuit.

Good grief.

OMG, 2nd edit now that I've seen Lash's post on the Nina payout to the Zahaus. confused
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Post by BBL on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:41 pm

Have we entered bizarro world? That $100,000 really throws things for a loop. Here's what I think... Dina set things in motion. Orchestrated and coerced. Nina assisted by distracting Rebecca and Adam went in for the kill. I was really hoping for detail. Can they put Nina on the stand to understand why her insurance company would pay $100,000? That really seems to add weight to the fact that this isn't suicide.

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Post by Lash on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:46 pm

Yes, the $100,000 payout completely changes perspectives for me.

Why payout anything if you're going to be dropped from the WDS? Is Nina planning on testifying against Adam? Notice Greer made the statement "policy limits". Is this part of a settlement offer? I would be interested in other theories on why a party would pay.
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Post by Lash on Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:55 pm

ROA 596 (see link on home page or library threads)

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GENERAL ALLEGATIONS
14. On or around the early morning ofJuly 13, 2011, Defendant ADAM
SHACKNAI battered and murdered REBECCA by:

(a) striking REBECCA on the head multiple times with a blunt instrument;
(b) physically restraining her;
(c) further restraining her by binding her legs with tape;
(d) gagging her;
(e) binding her hands behind her back with rope;
(f) binding her ankles together with rope;
(g) removing the previously placed tape from her legs;
(h) strangling her to the point of unconsciousness or death;
(i) making and placing a rope noose around her neck;
(j) tying the other end of the rope leading to the noose to a bed;
(k) carrying her to the adjacent balcony and pushing her over the railing ofthe balcony causing her to fall and, if she was still alive at that time, to the die by asphyxiation.
(l) removing evidence ofthe acts which he committed, including wiping
down objects he had touched in order to remove DNA and finger prints; and
(m) as a further ploy to cover up his wrongdoing, painted the following wordson the inside of door near the balcony where REBECCA was left hanging:

SHE SAVED HIM
CAN YOU SAVE HER
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Post by Imp on Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:20 pm

Leaving the whole Nina/Dina thing aside for a moment ... my immediate question after reading items (a) through (m): Was there a sexual assault? Was Rebecca's body tested for evidence of sexual assault? (I think I know the answer to that one.) Wasn't there evidence in the shower? Did he sexually assault her and then force her to shower?

Back to Nina's payout: Was she aware of what Adam did and has been covering for him, finally 'fessed up and offered the payout so she'd be dropped from the case? Nina did admit, after all, that she was at Spreckels that night. Dina never did.

Whoa.
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Post by Lash on Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:06 pm

Bourne Very Happy thank you for the insider info above.

I am hoping to get a response from AZlawyer on the payout. Very interesting and I agree BBL about the added weight. I did read in the new document where Adam admitted to masturbating to porn that evening. Previously we were told it was the morning Rebecca was found.

Another tidbit. Did anyone notice on one of the most recent documents Jonah was named as a plaintiffs witness to Adam's motive?

ROA 585 page 19, BBM


SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSES TO SPECIAL INTERROGATORIES SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 72:

For each motive identified in response to Special Interrogatory No. 69, please identify all witnesses that support YOUR contention that Mr. Shacknai had this motive.

SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 72:

In addition to the witnesses previously identified, Plaintiffs respond as follows: Jonah Shacknai.

Back to 596. KZ, do any of the injuries sound different to you? Perhaps more details have been added?

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Based on the injuries sustained by REBECCA and the amount of strength needed to create such injury, Plaintiffs allege that in the early hours of July 13, 2011, ADAM choked REBECCA to death. REBECCA sustained a left cricoid fracture, a fracture of the left arm of the hyoid bone, and a fracture of the base of the left superior horn of the thyroid cartilage, all injuries which commonly occur with strangulation and is unlikely to occur with a hanging. Furthermore, Rebecca's face was described as congestive, and petechiae was found on REBECCA's eyelids, upper and lower palpebral conctivae, and her inner, upper, and lower lip mucosa, periorbital regions and on the left side of her face between he eye, both her eyes fine and coarse petechia above the ligature furrow, extending from the chin to the angle of the mandible, which commonly occurs with strangulation, where there is no complete occlusion of the vasculature, unlike in a full-suspension hanging.
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Re: Wrongful Death Lawsuit- discuss here

Post by Imp on Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:34 pm

I just re-read Bourne's inside info above. Definitely fits with what Lash has so kindly pointed out from recent filings. Whoa.

So here's a puzzle. If the evil twins knew from jump that Adam was the murderer, why did they (or at least Dina, it seems) turn the WDS into a public vilification of the Zahaus' motives? I'm thinking there are several layers of complexity and maneuvering involved that my brain just can't wrap itself around.
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Post by BBL on Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:45 pm

Imp wrote:I just re-read Bourne's inside info above. Definitely fits with what Lash has so kindly pointed out from recent filings. Whoa.

So here's a puzzle. If the evil twins knew from jump that Adam was the murderer, why did they (or at least Dina, it seems) turn the WDS into a public vilification of the Zahaus' motives? I'm thinking there are several layers of complexity and maneuvering involved that my brain just can't wrap itself around.

I think it is because she is involved and she was afraid something would turn up to provide proof. She had to provide a smokescreen. Maybe she wasn't there physically, but I'm thinking she is the puppeteer. INAL, but doesn't "hiring" someone to kill mean you conspired to kill? The problem is that without Adam admitting guilt and giving up Nina/Dina, there is no proof. Perhaps Dina was never sure if Adam would rat her out. Did you notice the terminology about "negotiating" terms to be dropped? I'm guessing that is immunity if Adam points fingers.

Jonah is absolutely protecting Adam. How did he know to get Pfingst there that early?

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Post by Imp on Wed Mar 29, 2017 4:06 pm

BBL wrote: I think it is because she is involved and she was afraid something would turn up to provide proof. She had to provide a smokescreen. Maybe she wasn't there physically, but I'm thinking she is the puppeteer. INAL, but doesn't "hiring" someone to kill mean you conspired to kill? The problem is that without Adam admitting guilt and giving up Nina/Dina, there is no proof. Perhaps Dina was never sure if Adam would rat her out. Did you notice the terminology about "negotiating" terms to be dropped? I'm guessing that is immunity if Adam points fingers.

Jonah is absolutely protecting Adam. How did he know to get Pfingst there that early?

"Plaintiffs are currently negotiating terms for dismissal of Dina Shacknai, which will not involve the exchange of any money."

So if I understand this, Dina could be negotiating with Greer that if she testifies against Adam, and Adam fingers her as being involved, she not only gets dropped from the case by the Zahaus, but also receives immunity from prosecution for her role in Rebecca's murder?

Jonah's behavior and many of the things reported to have occurred during the "death investigation" certainly make more sense if you remove the twins from the equation and focus on Adam. I've always wondered why, if Dina was such a thorn in Jonah's side, he wouldn't just let her hang, or even better, help the authorities make the case against her. Of course, I've always also assumed Jonah's main motivation was to make it all go away quickly and quietly to preserve his "good name" and business interests.

Narrowing the perps down to Adam may cause a few more puzzle pieces to fall into place.
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Post by coastal on Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:03 pm

https://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/a035.gif Wow...Yay!...What???

Lash said:
Why payout anything if you're going to be dropped from the WDS? Is Nina planning on testifying against Adam? Notice Greer made the statement "policy limits". Is this part of a settlement offer? I would be interested in other theories on why a party would pay.

Is that like "guilty with an explanation"? I don't think any insurance policy ever written would allow payment to a party who falsely accused their insured, unless there was a substantial risk of their losing more than they paid to settle.

Did that make sense? My mind is blown...

All I really wanted to say, is YAY!!!
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Post by screecher on Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:39 pm

Thanks Lash & bourne.

Well I still believe the Nina and Dina Romano are guilty of torturing and murdering Rebecca. We know the time frame when the witness saw Dina Romano. We also know Dina Romano (and her vehicle) was no where to be found at Rady's during that time. Hence Nina Romano using Jonah Shacknai's vehicle to drive back to Coronado.

There is no way in hell those evil, nasty, hateful women did not harm Rebecca.

This is all bullshit.
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Post by screecher on Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:41 pm

Oh, and all excellent posts Smile
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Post by Sharyne on Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:22 am

Just heard on local Fox5 and CBS8 news that there is going to be a news conference tomorrow.  They didn't say a time and I can't find anything on their news sites online.

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