Wrongful Death Lawsuit- discuss here

I heard Greer dropped Dina and Nina from WDS because the twins offered themselves up as plaintiff's witnesses against Adam in exchange for immunity.

Greer has strongest evidence against Adam:
1) Adam found Rebecca's dead body; (opportunity)
2) Adam admitted to being physically present the night she was killed; admitted to being at the crime scene; admitted to touching her body; (opportunity)
3) Adam is tugboat captain and knows how to make the special nautical ties found around Rebecca's wrists, ankles and neck; (means)
4) Adam is Max's uncle and was in vindictive mode against Rebecca for Max's braindeath. (motive)

This is a good strategy because Jonah will be forced to protect his bro Adam and confess about Dina/Nina's involvement.

Interesting turn of events. From new ROA doc 596:

Page 3 of 30, BBM

INTRODUCTION

Plaintiffs bring this motion to amend the complaint to remove Dina Shacknai and Nina Romano as defendants in the case. This will leave Adam Schacknai as the sole named defendant. The reason Plaintiffs want to amend the complaint at this time because although evidence developed early in the case created a likelihood that Dina Shacknai and Nina Romano were at the scene of the homicide, evidence developed in the last six months has persuaded Plaintiffs to believe it is unlikely Dina Shacknia and Nina Romano were involved with Rebecca's murder. Therefore, Plaintiffs seek to amend the complaint to reflect the more fully developed evidence and to have a complaint at trial that is consistent with what Plaintiffs intend to prove, i.e., that Adam Shacknai murdered Rebecca Zahau..

So, the WDS now claims Dina and Nina were not involved in Rebecca's murder or is there more to this???

More from ROA 596.

Page 6 of 30:

Specifically, Plaintiffs relied upon the statements eye witness Jim Haager made to police and to Plaintiffs' investigator, that he saw Dina Shacknai at the scene on the evening ofthe murder. After years ofattempting to get the actual video surveillance footage from Rady Children's Hospital for the relevant time period, on September 30, 2016, the parties finally received the video. (Greer 4). This confirmed that at certain times the evening of the murder, Dina Shacknai was at the hospital. While this doesn't completely eliminate the possibility that Dina Shacknai was somehow involved, it makes it unlikely that she was at the murder scene. Moreover, the video shows that the clothing she was wearing were different from the clothing that Jim Haager identified on the woman he saw at the murder scene. (Greer 5).

Page 7 of 30:

With the hospital security video being added to the mix, Plaintiffs had to completely analyze the totality of the evidence. This process resulted in the conclusion that although no evidence completely exonerates Dina Shacknai or Nina Romano, and although there may be sufficient evidence to defeat a summary judgment motion, the evidence does not appear sufficient to establish that it is more likely than not that either Nina Romano or Dina Shacknai were involved in Rebecca's murder. Conversely, Plaintiffs do feel that the evidence is sufficient to establish that Defendant Adam Shacknai assaulted and murdered Rebecca Zahau. Thus, Plaintiffs now seek to amend their pleadings to reflect the state of the evidence, in advance of trial.

Wow, just wow. So much could have been avoided if Rady's had released those tapes earlier. I admit that I kind of feel bad about they way I felt about Dina (and I hate that "others" may be right). But, I think I will always believe that Dina and Nina were involved. I guess they just didn't do the physical dirty deed. I'm not sure what to think now. Do you all believe that Adam could pull this off by himself?

More and more...Nina DID make a payment to the plaintiffs of $100,000. So there was a settlement of some type involving Nina???

Page 7 of 30

On February 27, 2017, Plaintiffs dismissed Nina Romano from the case. Although Ms. Romano paid her policy limits of $100,000 to Plaintiffs, she denied all liability. (Greer 9). Plaintiffs are currently negotiating terms for dismissal of Dina Shacknai, which will not involve the exchange of any money. (Id.)

Sounds almost as if the evil twins were at the scene, but not involved?

This is a NSWAG (non-scientific wild azz guess) on my part: Dina and/or Nina were involved on some level, but didn't do the actual deed, are willing to testify against Adam, and the Zahaus figure they may at least be able to hold 1 of the 3 accountable.

A variation of that NSWAG: Dina and Nina were involved in the deed itself, but have teamed up against Adam to make him the fall guy.

Okay ... I typed all that ^^ before Lash posted again, so I'll add this. They finally got the Rady video of the night in question?? Good lord, what took so long? Who was hiding that thing? And why? Did Team Shacknai have the video and wouldn't share it? Or did the hospital just finally cough it up in Sept 2016? And why does the video show her there at "certain times the evening of the murder"? I smell a rat. If Dina was on video at Rady and she knew it, she and her crew would've been screaming it from the rooftops as soon as the Zahaus filed their lawsuit.

Good grief.

OMG, 2nd edit now that I've seen Lash's post on the Nina payout to the Zahaus.

Have we entered bizarro world? That $100,000 really throws things for a loop. Here's what I think... Dina set things in motion. Orchestrated and coerced. Nina assisted by distracting Rebecca and Adam went in for the kill. I was really hoping for detail. Can they put Nina on the stand to understand why her insurance company would pay $100,000? That really seems to add weight to the fact that this isn't suicide.

Yes, the $100,000 payout completely changes perspectives for me.

Why payout anything if you're going to be dropped from the WDS? Is Nina planning on testifying against Adam? Notice Greer made the statement "policy limits". Is this part of a settlement offer? I would be interested in other theories on why a party would pay.

ROA 596 (see link on home page or library threads)

Page 17 of 30

GENERAL ALLEGATIONS
14. On or around the early morning ofJuly 13, 2011, Defendant ADAM
SHACKNAI battered and murdered REBECCA by:

(a) striking REBECCA on the head multiple times with a blunt instrument;
(b) physically restraining her;
(c) further restraining her by binding her legs with tape;
(d) gagging her;
(e) binding her hands behind her back with rope;
(f) binding her ankles together with rope;
(g) removing the previously placed tape from her legs;
(h) strangling her to the point of unconsciousness or death;
(i) making and placing a rope noose around her neck;
(j) tying the other end of the rope leading to the noose to a bed;
(k) carrying her to the adjacent balcony and pushing her over the railing ofthe balcony causing her to fall and, if she was still alive at that time, to the die by asphyxiation.
(l) removing evidence ofthe acts which he committed, including wiping
down objects he had touched in order to remove DNA and finger prints; and
(m) as a further ploy to cover up his wrongdoing, painted the following wordson the inside of door near the balcony where REBECCA was left hanging:

SHE SAVED HIM
CAN YOU SAVE HER

Leaving the whole Nina/Dina thing aside for a moment ... my immediate question after reading items (a) through (m): Was there a sexual assault? Was Rebecca's body tested for evidence of sexual assault? (I think I know the answer to that one.) Wasn't there evidence in the shower? Did he sexually assault her and then force her to shower?

Back to Nina's payout: Was she aware of what Adam did and has been covering for him, finally 'fessed up and offered the payout so she'd be dropped from the case? Nina did admit, after all, that she was at Spreckels that night. Dina never did.

Whoa.

Bourne thank you for the insider info above.

I am hoping to get a response from AZlawyer on the payout. Very interesting and I agree BBL about the added weight. I did read in the new document where Adam admitted to masturbating to porn that evening. Previously we were told it was the morning Rebecca was found.

Another tidbit. Did anyone notice on one of the most recent documents Jonah was named as a plaintiffs witness to Adam's motive?

ROA 585 page 19, BBM

SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSES TO SPECIAL INTERROGATORIES SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 72:

For each motive identified in response to Special Interrogatory No. 69, please identify all witnesses that support YOUR contention that Mr. Shacknai had this motive.

SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO SPECIAL INTERROGATORY NO. 72:

In addition to the witnesses previously identified, Plaintiffs respond as follows: Jonah Shacknai.

Back to 596. KZ, do any of the injuries sound different to you? Perhaps more details have been added?

Page 20 of 30

Based on the injuries sustained by REBECCA and the amount of strength needed to create such injury, Plaintiffs allege that in the early hours of July 13, 2011, ADAM choked REBECCA to death. REBECCA sustained a left cricoid fracture, a fracture of the left arm of the hyoid bone, and a fracture of the base of the left superior horn of the thyroid cartilage, all injuries which commonly occur with strangulation and is unlikely to occur with a hanging. Furthermore, Rebecca's face was described as congestive, and petechiae was found on REBECCA's eyelids, upper and lower palpebral conctivae, and her inner, upper, and lower lip mucosa, periorbital regions and on the left side of her face between he eye, both her eyes fine and coarse petechia above the ligature furrow, extending from the chin to the angle of the mandible, which commonly occurs with strangulation, where there is no complete occlusion of the vasculature, unlike in a full-suspension hanging.

I just re-read Bourne's inside info above. Definitely fits with what Lash has so kindly pointed out from recent filings. Whoa.

So here's a puzzle. If the evil twins knew from jump that Adam was the murderer, why did they (or at least Dina, it seems) turn the WDS into a public vilification of the Zahaus' motives? I'm thinking there are several layers of complexity and maneuvering involved that my brain just can't wrap itself around.

Imp wrote:I just re-read Bourne's inside info above. Definitely fits with what Lash has so kindly pointed out from recent filings. Whoa.

So here's a puzzle. If the evil twins knew from jump that Adam was the murderer, why did they (or at least Dina, it seems) turn the WDS into a public vilification of the Zahaus' motives? I'm thinking there are several layers of complexity and maneuvering involved that my brain just can't wrap itself around.

I think it is because she is involved and she was afraid something would turn up to provide proof. She had to provide a smokescreen. Maybe she wasn't there physically, but I'm thinking she is the puppeteer. INAL, but doesn't "hiring" someone to kill mean you conspired to kill? The problem is that without Adam admitting guilt and giving up Nina/Dina, there is no proof. Perhaps Dina was never sure if Adam would rat her out. Did you notice the terminology about "negotiating" terms to be dropped? I'm guessing that is immunity if Adam points fingers.

Jonah is absolutely protecting Adam. How did he know to get Pfingst there that early?

BBL wrote: I think it is because she is involved and she was afraid something would turn up to provide proof. She had to provide a smokescreen. Maybe she wasn't there physically, but I'm thinking she is the puppeteer. INAL, but doesn't "hiring" someone to kill mean you conspired to kill? The problem is that without Adam admitting guilt and giving up Nina/Dina, there is no proof. Perhaps Dina was never sure if Adam would rat her out. Did you notice the terminology about "negotiating" terms to be dropped? I'm guessing that is immunity if Adam points fingers.

Jonah is absolutely protecting Adam. How did he know to get Pfingst there that early?

"Plaintiffs are currently negotiating terms for dismissal of Dina Shacknai, which will not involve the exchange of any money."

So if I understand this, Dina could be negotiating with Greer that if she testifies against Adam, and Adam fingers her as being involved, she not only gets dropped from the case by the Zahaus, but also receives immunity from prosecution for her role in Rebecca's murder?

Jonah's behavior and many of the things reported to have occurred during the "death investigation" certainly make more sense if you remove the twins from the equation and focus on Adam. I've always wondered why, if Dina was such a thorn in Jonah's side, he wouldn't just let her hang, or even better, help the authorities make the case against her. Of course, I've always also assumed Jonah's main motivation was to make it all go away quickly and quietly to preserve his "good name" and business interests.

Narrowing the perps down to Adam may cause a few more puzzle pieces to fall into place.

https://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/a035.gif Wow...Yay!...What???

Lash said:
Why payout anything if you're going to be dropped from the WDS? Is Nina planning on testifying against Adam? Notice Greer made the statement "policy limits". Is this part of a settlement offer? I would be interested in other theories on why a party would pay.

Is that like "guilty with an explanation"? I don't think any insurance policy ever written would allow payment to a party who falsely accused their insured, unless there was a substantial risk of their losing more than they paid to settle.

Did that make sense? My mind is blown...

All I really wanted to say, is YAY!!!

Thanks Lash & bourne.

Well I still believe the Nina and Dina Romano are guilty of torturing and murdering Rebecca. We know the time frame when the witness saw Dina Romano. We also know Dina Romano (and her vehicle) was no where to be found at Rady's during that time. Hence Nina Romano using Jonah Shacknai's vehicle to drive back to Coronado.

There is no way in hell those evil, nasty, hateful women did not harm Rebecca.

This is all bullshit.

Oh, and all excellent posts

Just heard on local Fox5 and CBS8 news that there is going to be a news conference tomorrow.  They didn't say a time and I can't find anything on their news sites online.

I'll play!
So hello!? I got an e-mail from the "Rebecca Zahau Case Newsletter". The mail had links, one of which I followed here. I had to get a new password, which "re-activated" me, and hello! here I am. Reactivated.

And I'm thinking this is kind of eerie, this anonymous shout-out from cyberspace...especially since nobody else is here...but hey. I can wait.

Um...if a person sent that e-mail, please say hello. If AI sent it, or Google or facebook or something, please unsubscribe me soonest.

Heya coastal! This is bourne, same bourne from WS.

I was surprised to receive this newsletter a few days ago. I forwarded it to screecher since she didn't receive it. Also surprised that this forum has no new postings about the Zahau case since 2017!

Say what?! LOL

Now that the WDS is underway and the defense is on the stand presenting their case, we should post here and everywhere we can to help publicize it.

I still believe unrelentingly that it was definitively murder most heinous and the mastermind Dina was behind it.

Phew! So glad this forum allows us to speak our mind and not have to tippytoe around who we believe are the killers. I understand that some "free" forums are actually profit making businesses and I respect that but honestly, the first amendment should be supreme when it comes to justice- and truth-seeking.

I believe a few new WSleuthers may also want to join in this discussion, as one had already PMed me behind the scenes that s/he didn't feel WS is fair and I've been speaking with a few others who attended the trial live... I'll PM you coastal and KZ and you guys can invite the new WSleuthers since I'm timed-out on WS and can't PM/post nada. LOL

Excellent! I'm on it!

I agree, Rebecca was murdered. No doubt about it. I want Mr. Greer to be right about Adam, and he has some good evidence against Adam, but I can't scratch Jonah off my list yet. Greer says he's cleared, but I have yet to see the proof of that. He makes me itch.

Sorry you're in time out. Anything you want to say over there? Let me know.

coastal wrote:Excellent! I'm on it!

I agree, Rebecca was murdered. No doubt about it. I want Mr. Greer to be right about Adam, and he has some good evidence against Adam, but I can't scratch Jonah off my list yet. Greer says he's cleared, but I have yet to see the proof of that. He makes me itch.

Sorry you're in time out. Anything you want to say over there? Let me know.

Np about T/O. I spoke with Tricia, and she's fair altho I think money (from the big moneybags, not me) talks, if you know what I mean... But only a few more hours to go and I'll be back with a vengeance! LOL j/k

Agreed, there's good evidence that it is absolute murder and circumstantial evidence points at Adam.

Years past I had written him off as a stooge, used and abused by Dina. But now with Jonah making suspicious statements, hyping the suicide theory - I'm sure he knows the truth about Dina's murderous rage/vindictive killer instinct towards Rebecca - and the fact that he is still covering up for her pushes me to believe Adam may have a hand in it too.

I still believe Dina is the premeditator, sexual assaulter and murderer. Nina was there and probably laughing and enjoying humiliating Rebecca. Don't ask me why but for some reason I can't see Nina helping throw Rebecca over. However, I can see Adam being persuaded with promise of money and other items of influence to finish the job and help cover up and wait until morning to conveniently find Rebecca's body.

He may also have participated in sexually assaulting Rebecca. Reason I believe Dina sexually assaulted Rebecca is that an insider had told me Dina was bisexual and had been active pursuer of menage-a-trois with other women and Jonah/other men, and she was into the Japanese bindings for sex play. Also, if Adam (or any man) wanted to sexually assault Rebecca, they could simply have used a condom that's easily discarded and no one would be the wiser for it... Why use a knife handle, a physical tool that happens to resemble a dildo? That to me indicates it's likely a woman, Dina. (I don't think it was Nina, tho I could be wrong).

That's my take.

Hello!!!

Im glad to be back also.

I STILL believe Dina murdered Rebecca, This murder is dripping Dina's rage.

I've been checking here every couple of months, so disappointed to see no new posts until that Newsletter from Forumotion.

Lol, took me almost a half hour or more to find my password, but finally did.

I'm terribly disappointed with the News sites that still seem biased with LE being credible in this case.... I hope and pray the jurors can understand that there is NO POSSIBLE way it was suicide. I'm not 100% sure Adam committed the murder all by himself, but feel he is still guilty for this lawsuit.

I see WS is in the midst of "cleaning up" posts, sure wish I could have gotten to read them first. I think stmarysmead is a lawyer for the Shacknais or possibly even Jonah himself....the posts just sound like trying to be "fair and honest" .... kinda like the phrase "me thinks thou doest protest too much".

The posts were going so good until the trolls came back and of course disrupted the smooth going every day so that now we have to be getting "cleaned up again". *sigh* *sad*

Thanks for your insightful post! I also do not believe Adam committed the crime on his own. I lean towards Adam participating in the coverup/murder, and that he was manipulated by Dina. Someone on WS said Dina and he used to communicate by text and emails chatting about his fictional writing...So they had a personal relationship outside of Jonah...Since he doesn't seem all that close to Jonah, I doubt that he rushed on over to Coronado to "help" support Jonah morally/emotionally. It appeared he didn't even visit Max at the hospital either. What type of uncle doesn't even check in on a braindead relative?

Sorry but no way jose is stmarysmead a lawyer. Lawyers don't write with such obvious lack of diplomacy and irrational thought. She is seeping with intense hate, jealousy and bitterness about Rebecca, a crime victim - almost like she knew Rebecca personally.

I'd say she was Dina but Dina is even more wacko jacko irrational.

She appears to be a racist crank who abhors Rebecca because Rebecca's Asian. She has nary a good word ever to say about Rebecca and appears absolutely blind to concrete evidence that Rebecca's death was a murder, not suicide. To me, that poster has zero compassion and zero respect for the dead and murdered Rebecca.

If stmarysmead ever held a job, I would say she spent it envisioning herself to be a writer of some sort. Her vocabulary is from someone of fifth grade level, and I'm being generous. She doesn't seem to understand science, math or even plain probability...

I'm guessing she grew up secluded with little stimulation. Hence her imagination runs wild with bizarre, irrational illogic.